Judge the Build (Constructive Please)

cataclysmc · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:57 am

I have one char who is Swordsman/Doctor, solid build but too many states was getting annoying.

New build me and a guildie worked out.

mBrawler - Intimidate 2, Lunge2
mSwords - Obviously
444x Fencer - Massive Melee Defense and State resists.
444x Medic - Big Stems and Quick Strong Firstaids.

Wearing 1 piece of 25/25 Injury/Wound Clothes for total 100 Injury Treatment since Firstaid is based on Injury Treatment.

So far have only used it on low NS including protectors, and Canyon Krayts. Both of which no problems at all.

Drakathos · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:06 am

Hello,

Looks pretty good, only thing that would make it difficult is the mobs that poison.

I've been thinking about a similar build:
MSwords
444x fencer
MMedic
2xxx doc

But im not sure if I would have enough medicine use for the cure poison packs.

cataclysmc · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:20 am

Your build would put you at 55 Medical Use without Tapes, and Cure Poison Stem A is 51 Medical Use. Just checked on my doctor. Novice Doctor gives you 55 Med Use. You would be giving up Intimidate 2 and Lunge 2, but it looks pretty good.

cataclysmc · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:33 am

Using my Buff pack parts to make Cure Poison Stem A effectiveness came out to 130.22.

New Dot Tick Damage = dot tick damage - Cure effectiveness

For example, a 300 per tick dot facing a 200 cure effectiveness results in a 100 per tick dot.

Single Cure
The amount of poison/disease tick a doctor can cure with a single target cure pack:
Cure Amount = [ cure effectiveness ] x ( 1 + ( ( wound treatment mod / 100 ) )

Single Target cure packs use the following formula to determine if a dot is cured:
New Dot Tick Damage = dot tick damage - Cure Amount

So roughly you would only be able to cure 131 per poison cure application, because of the low Wound Treatment of Novice doctor. With Wound/Injury clothes would put you at a little more but not a lot.

Drakathos · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:37 am

Gah, thats not good enough to be honest. Need to figure out something else.

Drakathos · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:39 am

What's the medicine use on B's and C's?

Drakathos · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:42 am

If i would go 44xx fencer and 3x4x doc i would have medicine use +90

cataclysmc · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:42 am

Bs are only 10 and Cs start at 31 and can easily moved down to 30 so you only need pharma 3 to use Cs. I grabbed Pharma 4 for D packs.

That was without looking at the Poison Resist packs which I have never dealt with, and I don't have the resources for at the moment.

Also, you could drop some Fencer and pick up meditate for the poison if you wanted to as well. I know a TKM in my guild does a little bit of Solo Geo Farming in there, normally okay as long as he doesn't pull to much.

cataclysmc · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:48 am

90 would probably give you Poison Bs but for Poison C (again don't have the resources) I think they start at 97 Use, so those might be out of reach for anyone outside of Master.

Drakathos · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:02 am

The aim of the build is to be able to take down the fire breathing spider solo, it gives out such a huge poison that just healing wont be an option.

Ofcourse i have not looked into poison resistance buffs as an option...

cataclysmc · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:04 am

Could get Poison Stem Cs down to 86 Med Use 258 Effective. My resources are trash though, so could get them stronger.

Drakathos · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:38 am

So in conclusion it would be better to forget the medicine use tree and concentrate on the wound treatment becouse with that poison pack A and the wound treatment tree the poison cure would be 227.5 or try to get enough medicine use for poison pack B and as much wound treatment as possible.

StepoKedur · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:42 am

You see, this is one of the reasons I love this game. So many possible permutaions for a character build that gives a unique toon for a specific play style.

Half the fun is working our the calculations, how far can I push this stat, how far can I reduce this skill, are there any alternative routes I can go down?

Wonderful stuff!

Drakathos · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:46 am

StepoKedur wrote:You see, this is one of the reasons I love this game. So many possible permutaions for a character build that gives a unique toon for a specific play style.

Half the fun is working our the calculations, how far can I push this stat, how far can I reduce this skill, are there any alternative routes I can go down?

Wonderful stuff!

What he said

cataclysmc · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:47 am

or Solo poison mobs with a Swords/Doctor and Bleed or High Melee damage with a build like this one. I am trying to find a reason that Doc/Swords isn't just better for everything. I will keep trying though.

So far I am almost tempted to just run Doc/Swordsman + Counterattack SEA and just stem everything.

Drakathos · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:56 am

cataclysmc wrote:or Solo poison mobs with a Swords/Doctor and Bleed or High Melee damage with a build like this one. I am trying to find a reason that Doc/Swords isn't just better for everything. I will keep trying though.

So far I am almost tempted to just run Doc/Swordsman + Counterattack SEA and just stem everything.

As a MSwords/Doc you would get too much damage from the spider and might even have hard time to get there due to the sheer amount of damage the geos do, would prolly single hit a master swordsman. Swordsmans defences aint that great.

cataclysmc · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:02 am

I mean you don't take more if your defenses are lower, per hit anyway. Melee Defense is only your avoidance, Melee Mitigation is what lowers that and mSwords has level 3 on its own. You would take more overall because you would be dodging less often than a Swords/Fencer, but you would be able to heal for way more, more often. Big thing you lose is avoidance and state resists, but Doctors can cure all states with stems.

Maybe I will take them both in there and see.

Drakathos · Unread post Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:33 am

Please do post the results. My worry about only Master Swords defenses is that if you get hit twice you are pretty much a goner not to mention unlucky mind pool hits.

htguru · Unread post Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:09 pm

master Brawler/Swordsman/TKA with 4141 medic

zzyzxisinthemix · Unread post Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:28 pm

cataclysmc wrote:I have one char who is Swordsman/Doctor, solid build but too many states was getting annoying.

New build me and a guildie worked out.

mBrawler - Intimidate 2, Lunge2
mSwords - Obviously
444x Fencer - Massive Melee Defense and State resists.
444x Medic - Big Stems and Quick Strong Firstaids.

Wearing 1 piece of 25/25 Injury/Wound Clothes for total 100 Injury Treatment since Firstaid is based on Injury Treatment.

So far have only used it on low NS including protectors, and Canyon Krayts. Both of which no problems at all.