PVP balance discussion thread or forum?

[huan]

I think we need it. Instead of having discussion in various class forums... it would bring a lot more balanced voices to the table.

[Lecul]

Wouldn't this be part of the PvP Discussion forum?

[Cynar]

That' easy, start a thread in the pvp discussion forum. If you lay it out right and want to manage it, then I will sticky it and you can edit it as needed.

I also want to say something about balance. All professions were not meant to be created equal. Pikeman was made for crowd control, two handed for tanking, fencer dps, tk a mix of the three off those. Rifles dps, carbineer crowd control, pistols kiting and so on and so on.

The point is to mix and match professions, skill enhancing items, food, drugs, weapons and armor. The combat balance some of you seek is a myth. There will ever be a perfect balance because of the ability to mix things up. You really really need to stop chasing this fantasy perfection for all professions. It just ain't going to happen in Pre-CU.

[huan]

Balance where all classes do the same thing is not going to happen.

That said, all classes should be powerful in their own right, be fun to play, and have a variety of weapon types. If you have the skill to play it correctly you should be able to beat Most players.

If you look at a profession like TK or even BH they seem to have a lot more thought and love put into them than say Caribnes or Pikeman. I think that's something we can all agree on.

Also, the discussion can be aimed at specific skills, tree placement, and overall effect in pve and pvp. I do agree that this game is a chess match, with Jedi being on top. A pawn won't beat a knight. But.. everybody should be able to compete with the class they pick. I think that's the baseline.

Ill get some thoughts together on the thread. Thanks.

[Cynar]

Balance where all classes do the same thing is not going to happen.

Ill get some thoughts together on the thread. Thanks.

Precisely. While most people do things solo or in very small groups, this game was somewhat designed with other mmo's in mind. I literally had to stop and laugh as I typed that. Having the right group, with the right skills can make all the difference in any and all gameplay. Most modern mmo's you got a couple of people alternating tanking duties, a couple of healers, one or two crowd control and of course a ton of straight up dps. So ideally If you had a group of say 2 2H, 1 pike, 1tk, 1 doc, 1 cm(combo) and insert x number of dps here you should be able to survive most encounters.

1 on 1 not all things are created equal, that's why you mix and match. Lets get realistic a pikeman can beat a swordsman, it would take the right gear and or the right person. They aren't created equal in a game sense and they shouldn't be. One wasn't designed to be the other. It's not saying you can't have fun playing that class, but a pistoleer isn't going to have the range and the accuracy of a rifleman standing still. Rifles aren't going to be able to strafe or kite and have the same effectiveness as pistoleer on the run.

If we take and make a pikeman just like a 2H then what's the use? Same thing with pistols and rifles. Other than they cosmetic look then they would just be the same. That's why we have games like TOR. Sure people love to play dress up and there is nothing wrong with that. The profession shouldn't suffer in leiu of I want to be different but have the same effectiveness as the other. A pikeman was created for crowd control. I had one bh/pikeman in live hand me and several other templated Jedi their ass because he had the right gear and knew what he was doing.

So it's not changing the class to be on the same level as all the others, it's about learning to play the class the way it was designed, enhancing it with other classes, gear, buffs and skill. Not an overhaul or re-working. The re-working needs to occur in the brain.

[Maldred]

So it's not changing the class to be on the same level as all the others, it's about learning to play the class the way it was designed, enhancing it with other classes, gear, buffs and skill. Not an overhaul or re-working. The re-working needs to occur in the brain.

This is possibly the best statement regarding gameplay I've seen in 15 years of gaming. Think how many less nerfs there would be id everyone had this mentality and stopped crying about things being OP.

Adapt to the game. Don't expect the game to adapt to you.

[Unholyfrostgod]

Balance where all classes do the same thing is not going to happen.

That said, all classes should be powerful in their own right, be fun to play, and have a variety of weapon types. If you have the skill to play it correctly you should be able to beat Most players.

If you look at a profession like TK or even BH they seem to have a lot more thought and love put into them than say Caribnes or Pikeman. I think that's something we can all agree on.

Also, the discussion can be aimed at specific skills, tree placement, and overall effect in pve and pvp. I do agree that this game is a chess match, with Jedi being on top. A pawn won't beat a knight. But.. everybody should be able to compete with the class they pick. I think that's the baseline.

Ill get some thoughts together on the thread. Thanks.

To be fair TK is the only combat profession ingame that has absolutely no dot weapon available as there is no such thing as a dot VK. It would make the class a lot more competitive if while rare there was the ability to get their hands on something like this but both carbineer and pikeman have amazing dot weapons I know as i've looted outstanding fires before. So its not all bad

[saboteur]

When did TK not have dot weapons? I used to read about how this guy or that guy had a sick dot vk they used to PVP with.

[Unholyfrostgod]

When did TK not have dot weapons? I used to read about how this guy or that guy had a sick dot vk they used to PVP with.

On liberator which was the previous before basilisk there was dot vk's and the most famous that had the best and most on the server was cemcanatar which he used on his bh datjoker. I'm unsure why they are no longer attainable. Maybe they weren't on live?

[saboteur]

Well I remember them on old Nova but that server was all messes up but I read that there uses to be DoT VKs on live from the SOE forums. Maybe they just aren't dropping on this server.

[jasonh]

I believe I have seen DoT VKs here, perhaps on a vendor quite a while ago. IIRC Goku was selling, but I can't be sure.

[bobaphat]

Yes ^
There was a 190(?) poison VK on the bazaar ages ago.

[Cynar]

DoT VK's do exist. They are somewhat rare and mostly collectors wallhangers so far.

[Unholyfrostgod]

Oh, Well I guess i'm wrong. They must be ungodly rare I wonder if they are hanging in player's houses that are on break or had rl things come up that would make sense why I haven't seen them. I definitely know I haven't encountered one in pvp yet.

I was looting the other day and as I was clearing out my inventory for more I have checked countless times and pretty much only looted 1 good dot weapon so I was just not paying attention and I deleted a really high mind poison carbine saw it as it got destroyed, lesson learned to always check your looted weapons.