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Anlbrd wrote:...could we have a TEF on the doctor(s) that only applied to Adhesive Mesh traps, with the same freezing effect?
Not easily, no. Due to the way SWG combat works (with some exceptions) you're either attackable or you aren't. A TEF to only the traps would require a mini-system within the system, so to speak. However, if you put together a fleshed out suggestion and post it (preferably to that forum), we'll debate it as a staff.

Overall, we certainly do keep an eye on the BH/Jedi balance but we also have other professions that need love, and our time is finite. BH-Jedi get quite a bit of attention already.
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Xiphos wrote:Overall, we certainly do keep an eye on the BH/Jedi balance but we also have other professions that need love, and our time is finite. BH-Jedi get quite a bit of attention already.
I'd agree tbh. The Jedi : BH system is in a good state right now. A lot of people would be happy if it benefited from balance tweaks now and then but overhauling the whole thing would be counterproductive, in my opinion. Ed's frightened me with that TEF talk :p
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Actually - strike that. If Fastblast has really been changed to 3x instead of 7x - the healing Jedi thing needs to be fixed, lol.
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From the point of view of someone who will never play bh or Jedi or pvp I think the healing is fair, but bh's should be able to be healed also would it happen in the universe of course it would so why stop something that would happen just to appease the ongoing power struggle of who can kill who.

All is fair in love and war.

Now onto other changes like the other 30+ professions that want love :)
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I am a bit biased here, but for what it's worth:
zaner13 wrote: On live, if the Jedi did NOT attack the BH there was no TEF for the Jedi and they were able to walk into their houses as long as they were peaced out.
First off, the old live TEF system was just as fluid as it is here on Awakening. It was never one system. There were periods of time where things changed as those devs tried to adjust balance, but the prevalent system that lasted the longest was where the Jedi was TEF'd as soon as the BH attacked. Jedi were not able to simply refuse to engage to get into their house. In fact, there was a long period of time where many enterprising BHs used that system in conjunction with a bug which rooted the Jedi in place when TEf'd out of a building. The BH would hit the mark with a droid which kicked them out of a cantina, then would ruin the mark while he was rooted in place at the cantina door. The five minute timer DID exist, but this system where the Jedi could play pacifist and walk into their house didnt exist for any length of time.

Now, when we are considering BH group hunting and comparing that to outside heals, that's a whole different ballgame. Templated Jedi are alpha, no one can argue that. They are markedly more alpha here than on live, especially with the nerfs applied to melee BHs. Just because jedi are hunted in groups does not give you the right to heal your buddies. THAT mentality is the same mentality that justifies exploiting. Anything goes if you are trying to protect your own, right? Ima call bullshit on that one.

What does give you the right to heal your buddies and guildmates is the fact that devs have stated that is working as intended.

So, that being said, have at it. As hunters we can, and will stack every legal advantage at our disposal to swing the odds in our favor. That is how we succeed. We adapt and overcome. But this notion that healing is "fair" simply because some Hunters come 3 deep when they hunt is false causation. You are comparing apples to ice cream trucks.

The good news? You have the blessings of the server gods. The bad news? Once you are labeled as a jedi who brings heals, we are going to take it to another level. We are going to come 3, 4 and 5 deep, grouped with factioned stackers and healers to heal us while we try our damndest to smash you.

When fire was king, we brought fire and farmed for dots. When rockets were king, we all went commando. When traps were the shit, everyone took an extra tree in scout. Fastblast comes out and the market for LLCs goes through the roof. We will adapt, we will overcome. Heal away, it's all good, thats part of the game. But don't complain and act like you are only doing it because we hunt in groups. Cause let's be honest, Jedi use every advantage they can to win. Do you expect anything less from Bounty Hunters?
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Celt wrote:The good news? You have the blessings of the server gods. The bad news? Once you are labeled as a jedi who brings heals, we are going to take it to another level. We are going to come 3, 4 and 5 deep, grouped with factioned stackers and healers to heal us while we try our damndest to smash you.
And thats why i call him Boss.

And this....
Anlbrd wrote:Actually - strike that. If Fastblast has really been changed to 3x instead of 7x
Would explain this...
davej30 wrote:And while we are at it,something has happened recently,i dont know if its increased toughness,improved saber block or Fb damage changed.
So something has changed although im not going to disagree with it,
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Lol @ this dude. I was there. He came to Diarmid while Stormee was getting buffed with his guildmates. What did you think was going to happen?

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Celt wrote:Just because jedi are hunted in groups does not give you the right to heal your buddies.
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Celt wrote:I am a bit biased here, but for what it's worth:
zaner13 wrote: On live, if the Jedi did NOT attack the BH there was no TEF for the Jedi and they were able to walk into their houses as long as they were peaced out.
The good news? You have the blessings of the server gods. The bad news? Once you are labeled as a jedi who brings heals, we are going to take it to another level. We are going to come 3, 4 and 5 deep, grouped with factioned stackers and healers to heal us while we try our damndest to smash you.
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davej30 wrote:
Xiphos wrote:How does this affect neutral hunters? The jedi helpers may have been TEFd to the opposite faction but thats no good for the neutral BH.
Be a real BH and join a faction, neutral is for bitches
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Be a real BH and hunt with a VK. DPS is for bitches.
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Celt wrote:Be a real BH and hunt with a VK. DPS is for bitches.
or a carbine!
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Icefallen wrote:

Be a real BH and join a faction, neutral is for bitches

Bah. I'm a BH, and I'm neutral on Sainted. Though I guess I'm not a "Real" BH, but I use a carbine. Does that get me points? Also, I'm will to hire out to the highest bidder, Jebi or BH, to sling heals. Hows that for skewing the balance?
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Rhaige9 wrote: Also, I'm will to hire out to the highest bidder, Jebi or BH, to sling heals.
You can roll with <BH> anytime. I don't mind cutting you in.
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Celt wrote:
Rhaige9 wrote: Also, I'm will to hire out to the highest bidder, Jebi or BH, to sling heals.
You can roll with <BH> anytime. I don't mind cutting you in.
Celt.. re read the posts
Xiphos wrote: Consider this currently operating as intended and this may or may not be adjusted in the future. Currently BHs may not receive outside heals, and this as well may or may not be adjusted in the future.
you planning on breaking the rules?
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Roll around as a rebel BH with me sainted and i'll give you 50credits and you are a terrifying BH not a real bh lol
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Madroxtheninja wrote:
Celt wrote:
Rhaige9 wrote: Also, I'm will to hire out to the highest bidder, Jebi or BH, to sling heals.
You can roll with <BH> anytime. I don't mind cutting you in.
Celt.. re read the posts
Xiphos wrote: Consider this currently operating as intended and this may or may not be adjusted in the future. Currently BHs may not receive outside heals, and this as well may or may not be adjusted in the future.

you planning on breaking the rules?

The mechanic does not work was the post. Not that the mechanic works but is not allowed.

You may want to consider that the comment was me reaching out to an old guildie to hunt again.
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i could consider that, i also could consider that in another comment farther up you mentioned having healers and factioned stackers with you to "smash jedi" but maybe i took that out of context also
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If you are asking if I intend to exploit, then nope.

Yes, I said smash Jedi. I am not sure what we are arguing about. I take it you don't like my verbiage?
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nothing against you and not really trying to argue, i just seen in couple different comments you were gonna have healers to heal the BH, making sure you understood that is against rules :) just bring more Bhs to the party, its the 1 trick pony y'all are known for
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Thank you for all your responses, even the jedi lovers that hate my guts. I guess I will go back to my original plan. I prefer to solo, but I'll just have to bring more bounty hunters with me.

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