Fast Blast + LLC

[Maximus0369]

Will this still work in pub 8?

[bobaphat]

Hopefully not!

[skyhunter11]

From what I seen on test center last week with bounty hunter, fast blast still works with all ranged weopons. I will check again tonight unless someone can confirm before I can.

Narrk.

[Cynar]

That's still being worked on, so the final changes haven't made it to TC yet.

[Brianklein33]

I am always down for some more TC testing Narrk! I will take your fish butt in theed all day long!

[RemusStorm]

you guys testing now? i can log over <3

[davej30]

Hopefully not!

And you would want it to pistols only?
That doesn't cut it,it really doesn't FB with pistols only is not very good.
Its crappy and vs a Mdef even with several hunters on the job its crap!
Saying that i understand the jedi community is not happy with FB+llc,i would rather it took a slight nerf then it be removed altogether.
Or you zero the robe toughness on jedi but then your going to have problems with the jacked up PVE content.
So a melle stacker BH cant damage a jedi and a MBH wont do much more either if it stays with pistols,so you might as well drop MBH as the KDs dont work the same on publish 8 so there would be no reason to use traps if you have no DPS.
Seems to me that would make jedi too alpha,Mdef is the template to go against BH but isnt very good for pvp vs other jedi.
I personally like that choice you can either demolish other jedi with your healer/enhancer template or powers and be weak vs BH or be the reverse with Mdef.
But if FB goes to pistols only then the jedi profession gets it all,that's if you keep the robe toughness.

Awakening is different because the jedi population cant run rampant here,if that change is made without robe toughness adjusted it might as well be a clone of other lesser pre cu servers.
And you will probably except to see something horrific like this


Now for those jedi that do die here,its done by a very small amount of hunters,with i might add the very best gear money can buy.
For example my last set of tissues is well documented at 71million credits,compare that with the cost of 4 premium pearls shall we?
Average Joe bounty hunter doesn't have the resources, money or time put in to be as effective as the long term top tier hunters.
Its not a popular profession for long term players and i could probably count on one hand the amount of dedicated BHs here on this server.

If i am on the understanding that the push for pistols only is because of death,then that's going to happen regardless only instead of two hunters it will be five.
I sincerely doubt those five players (if you can get 5 BH on at once) will be MBH,as the weakeness of MBH is its high DPS with little defenses.
Still i am bias,however even being bias i think there should be some sort of compromise.

[RemusStorm]

Is it possible to make FB pistols only then double its current damage/multiplier? Or something like that, make sprayshot carbs only, double its damage, increase chance to stick states.

Make lightning single 2 do huge dmg, but a 25 or 30m range. That way it trades off big dmg for closer range??

I think BH should have its pro's and cons for each template. Pistols gets fire dot + fastblast, carbs gets good dmg and stun dizzy blind/pd/kd. LLC gets big dmg but shorted range??

That way you can see 2-3 diff templates have to group up to hunt. Not just double or triple LLC FB spam?

This is all just suggestions and ideas, not saying it would be easy etc etc. Sorry if i offend etc

[davej30]

Is it possible to make FB pistols only then double its current damage/multiplier? Or something like that, make sprayshot carbs only, double its damage, increase chance to stick states.

Make lightning single 2 do huge dmg, but a 25 or 30m range. That way it trades off big dmg for closer range??

I think BH should have its pro's and cons for each template. Pistols gets fire dot + fastblast, carbs gets good dmg and stun dizzy blind/pd/kd. LLC gets big dmg but shorted range??

That way you can see 2-3 diff templates have to group up to hunt. Not just double or triple LLC FB spam?

This is all just suggestions and ideas, not saying it would be easy etc etc. Sorry if i offend etc

Im all for suggestions and ideas,thats what we are here for keep them coming!
I think a lot of it comes down to whats easy to code and whats achievable,spray definitely needs looking at currently on test you might as well put that in the useless box as well

[skyhunter11]

Spray shot currently and on test center is a all HAM version of eyeshot. Blind is the only thing that is consistent.

As for getting online. Im at the mercy of work, wife, kids, events, and my gym schedule. Oh and most importantly, sleep. It's gonna be 2 to 4 hours til I am online.

Narrk

[bobaphat]

Hopefully not!

And you would want it to pistols only?
That doesn't cut it,it really doesn't FB with pistols only is not very good.
Its crappy and vs a Mdef even with several hunters on the job its crap!
Saying that i understand the jedi community is not happy with FB+llc,i would rather it took a slight nerf then it be removed altogether.
Or you zero the robe toughness on jedi but then your going to have problems with the jacked up PVE content.
So a melle stacker BH cant damage a jedi and a MBH wont do much more either if it stays with pistols,so you might as well drop MBH as the KDs dont work the same on publish 8 so there would be no reason to use traps if you have no DPS.
Seems to me that would make jedi too alpha,Mdef is the template to go against BH but isnt very good for pvp vs other jedi.
I personally like that choice you can either demolish other jedi with your healer/enhancer template or powers and be weak vs BH or be the reverse with Mdef.
But if FB goes to pistols only then the jedi profession gets it all,that's if you keep the robe toughness.

Awakening is different because the jedi population cant run rampant here,if that change is made without robe toughness adjusted it might as well be a clone of other lesser pre cu servers.
And you will probably except to see something horrific like this


Now for those jedi that do die here,its done by a very small amount of hunters,with i might add the very best gear money can buy.
For example my last set of tissues is well documented at 71million credits,compare that with the cost of 4 premium pearls shall we?
Average Joe bounty hunter doesn't have the resources, money or time put in to be as effective as the long term top tier hunters.
Its not a popular profession for long term players and i could probably count on one hand the amount of dedicated BHs here on this server.

If i am on the understanding that the push for pistols only is because of death,then that's going to happen regardless only instead of two hunters it will be five.
I sincerely doubt those five players (if you can get 5 BH on at once) will be MBH,as the weakeness of MBH is its high DPS with little defenses.
Still i am bias,however even being bias i think there should be some sort of compromise.

Yes and take the toughness off robes. That's how it should work and it does work that way many other places, successfully.

Also, every single piece of content on this server can be done without robes. I've soloed DWB/Acklay etc, with a stat suit instead of my robes. For a while I ran that SEA suit just to see how overpowered +25 toughness really is.
Now granted, I rarely ever log on here anymore so that's certainly not recent, but that being said I seriously doubt they buffed mobs again since I last played on Awakening.

When you have players that can't keep intimidate on mobs and have no idea what skills even do, do you balance around them or balance around those that can play? I mean seriously, look at the pvp videos most recently. People don't even run food macros.

Awakening is supposed to be "hard mode" but there is nothing hard about BH/JEDI here.

BH have the ability to use a heavy weapon, at speed cap, with a special designed to be used with the lowest dps weapon. The same special given an accuracy bonus to try and cover that gap. BH have also gotten a trap that allows them free DPS for "x" seconds at a what, 12 point cost investment?
Jedi have added unneeded toughness to counter mobs that are "harder" but are really just broken.
Where's the hard mode there? Still I am bias, I like good fights.


Lastly to bring up the "71 million credits" best gear investment, a 900 damage pistol can two shot a buffed Jedi. An 800+ carbine can 2 shot a buffed Jedi. A 1K+ Rifle can 1 shot a buffed Jedi.
All "well documented" things that have happened on Awakening. Good weapons make the game, durrrr.

[RemusStorm]

Hopefully not!

And you would want it to pistols only?
That doesn't cut it,it really doesn't FB with pistols only is not very good.
Its crappy and vs a Mdef even with several hunters on the job its crap!
Saying that i understand the jedi community is not happy with FB+llc,i would rather it took a slight nerf then it be removed altogether.
Or you zero the robe toughness on jedi but then your going to have problems with the jacked up PVE content.
So a melle stacker BH cant damage a jedi and a MBH wont do much more either if it stays with pistols,so you might as well drop MBH as the KDs dont work the same on publish 8 so there would be no reason to use traps if you have no DPS.
Seems to me that would make jedi too alpha,Mdef is the template to go against BH but isnt very good for pvp vs other jedi.
I personally like that choice you can either demolish other jedi with your healer/enhancer template or powers and be weak vs BH or be the reverse with Mdef.
But if FB goes to pistols only then the jedi profession gets it all,that's if you keep the robe toughness.

Awakening is different because the jedi population cant run rampant here,if that change is made without robe toughness adjusted it might as well be a clone of other lesser pre cu servers.
And you will probably except to see something horrific like this


Now for those jedi that do die here,its done by a very small amount of hunters,with i might add the very best gear money can buy.
For example my last set of tissues is well documented at 71million credits,compare that with the cost of 4 premium pearls shall we?
Average Joe bounty hunter doesn't have the resources, money or time put in to be as effective as the long term top tier hunters.
Its not a popular profession for long term players and i could probably count on one hand the amount of dedicated BHs here on this server.

If i am on the understanding that the push for pistols only is because of death,then that's going to happen regardless only instead of two hunters it will be five.
I sincerely doubt those five players (if you can get 5 BH on at once) will be MBH,as the weakeness of MBH is its high DPS with little defenses.
Still i am bias,however even being bias i think there should be some sort of compromise.

Yes and take the toughness off robes. That's how it should work and it does work that way many other places, successfully.

Also, every single piece of content on this server can be done without robes. I've soloed DWB/Acklay etc, with a stat suit instead of my robes. For a while I ran that SEA suit just to see how overpowered +25 toughness really is.
Now granted, I rarely ever log on here anymore so that's certainly not recent, but that being said I seriously doubt they buffed mobs again since I last played on Awakening.

When you have players that can't keep intimidate on mobs and have no idea what skills even do, do you balance around them or balance around those that can play? I mean seriously, look at the pvp videos most recently. People don't even run food macros.

Awakening is supposed to be "hard mode" but there is nothing hard about BH/JEDI here.

BH have the ability to use a heavy weapon, at speed cap, with a special designed to be used with the lowest dps weapon. The same special given an accuracy bonus to try and cover that gap. BH have also gotten a trap that allows them free DPS for "x" seconds at a what, 12 point cost investment?
Jedi have added unneeded toughness to counter mobs that are "harder" but are really just broken.
Where's the hard mode there? Still I am bias, I like good fights.


Lastly to bring up the "71 million credits" best gear investment, a 900 damage pistol can two shot a buffed Jedi. An 800+ carbine can 2 shot a buffed Jedi. A 1K+ Rifle can 1 shot a buffed Jedi.
All "well documented" things that have happened on Awakening. Good weapons make the game, durrrr.

I agree added robe def has to go(my opinion).

As far as weps go, i have a 920max carb, 100% does not 2 shot jedi with robes. Even without robes, would have to get extremely lucky to get 2x 2200+ damage shots to the same pool.

4000+ janta buffs + 1k health/action = 5k Health/Action buffs. Pretty hard to 1/2 shot that. Maybe couple headshots witch a rifle.

But i still roll MBH/carbs cause i dont like to be forced to play a certain way!

<3

[Cynar]

New Jedi Robes!

[davej30]

A 4600 Ham player jedi cant be 2shotted by those weapons your describing and if you factor in saber block if a row of shots are blocked its not going to happen,please dont tell me FB bypasses saberblock entirely.Like i said im not 100% against removal of LLC/fb but as things currently stand without it,things are not good.
And the alternative would rule out using MBH entirely,and that wont be pretty vs jedi you will have a similar problem to what you perceive is going on now.

[RemusStorm]

New Jedi Robes!

How cool was pre-pub 9 jedi haha!!

I remember 1 of my holos was MCH and a jedi on my server let me rag along with him and let my Pet attack all his rancors, got MCH done in like 8 hours haha.

He had a full suit 90% base and like 42%stun. LS was kinetic dmg too haha

[skyhunter11]

New Jedi Robes!

Noooooooo! And kinetic lightsabers too?

[bobaphat]

MBH is garbage in terms of points vs performance, always was on live too.
If anything I say that's better because the way it is now, nearly everyone is MBH/Traps. Awakening has sorely ruined the entire BH vs Jedi game in my opinion. I think that at least changing it back to the melee meta opens up far more options for both sides.

Everything I said has happened here. Believe me, don't believe, I don't care. I was merely pointing it out to poke fun at how stupid your "71 million" comment was. Good weapons are good.

[Cynar]

MBH is garbage in terms of points vs performance, always was on live too.
If anything I say that's better because the way it is now, nearly everyone is MBH/Traps. Awakening has sorely ruined the entire BH vs Jedi game in my opinion. I think that at least changing it back to the melee meta opens up far more options for both sides.

Everything I said has happened here. Believe me, don't believe, I don't care. I was merely pointing it out to poke fun at how stupid your "71 million" comment was. Good weapons are good.

Ok first, GTFO! We haven't ruined the BH/Jedi game. It's called too many cooks in the kitchen. We had four people with different ideas about how Jedi vs bh should work. Compromises happened and it is what it is. It may be a bit fucked up right at this very moment, but it's far from broken. There's only one cook, a couple of sous chefs and the man trying to redesign the restaurant now. We are back in business.

That being said, we do listen to players. Changes are happening but it won't happen overnight. I never have liked the 14.1 Jedi system and I've been very vocal about that. It in itself was a broken ass system that needs a complete redesign. Right now that's not going to happen. So the best we can do is tweak & tweak until we get it in an fun playable condition for everyone.

[davej30]

MBH is garbage in terms of points vs performance, always was on live too.
If anything I say that's better because the way it is now, nearly everyone is MBH/Traps. Awakening has sorely ruined the entire BH vs Jedi game in my opinion. I think that at least changing it back to the melee meta opens up far more options for both sides.

Everything I said has happened here. Believe me, don't believe, I don't care. I was merely pointing it out to poke fun at how stupid your "71 million" comment was. Good weapons are good.

You can poke fun all you want i'm good with it,i used it as a comparison to pearls
And no i don't think traps and llc/fb are the perfect solution but its an improvement on mbh,you open up the melee meta back up again and you're going to get defense stackers and least with the current meta the jedi has a chance to dispatch one of the bh.
however if they are all stackers then its going to be a long drawn out no fight until the jedi runs out of force or the psgs and foods fail.
And you wont be doing much damage to stackers as you very well know,still lets all play proper pre-cu
Pander too much to the jedi community and you get jedi power battles because no-one else will play anything but jedi.
AFAIK reading the loading screen on awakening is very specific about jedi being hunted down and killed,so no as i see it,i don't believe its just hard mode

[Celt]

Give me my melee hunter back and I promise you will forget about all of these problems.

Fastblast is just the current stress point for jedi. Before that it was traps without a cooldown, before that it was dots, before that it was particle beams. There will always be something that is too OP, too fast, hits too hard etc. There will always be complaints and cries for nerfs. Take FB away, it doesnt matter. Like Terrance said, you will just see hunter groups of 5 instead of 2. Either way hunters will come out on top at the mission terminal, so be careful what you wish for.