BH TEF

[lassic]

I remember explicitly that a jedi in our group that was attacked by a BH acquired a TEF to the group. Is this on awakening? If it is, great.
If not, why not?

[Royan]

It's not

[lassic]

Okay, Cynar, Ed, and company... Why is this chosen to not be on Awakening? I will say, I have not done any digging about this. If there is a thread out there I can review, let me know. Not trying to be demanding, just trying to understand.

[davej30]

Okay, Cynar, Ed, and company... Why is this chosen to not be on Awakening? I will say, I have not done any digging about this. If there is a thread out there I can review, let me know. Not trying to be demanding, just trying to understand.

Allow me,because saberTef turns into a shitshow.

I remember explicitly that a jedi in our group that was attacked by a BH acquired a TEF to the group. Is this on awakening?

Odd things happen from time to time,for example i've had a faction tef on a bh hunt (the mark and i where both imperial) and after said jedi died he got up and attacked me,and again after he died,eventually i died and still had the tef flag after i cloned.

[Celt]

a jedi in our group that was attacked by a BH acquired a TEF to the group

Could you clarify this please?

[Cynar]

He wants his grouped buddies to be able to help when BH(s) show up on the hunt. The reason we don't do this is because we want Jedi to not have life that easy. Jedi are being hunted, the other members of the group aren't. The Bounty is on the Jedi, there is no reason for everyone else to be able the attack the BH. This was this way pre Publish 11. They changed it somewhere between 11-12 because one or two BH would show up to face a full gank squad.

[lassic]

Celt- Yes, When BH would show up and we were grouped with our Jedi, coming out of DWB, we were able to attack and defend our friend. There was no faction TEF, it had to do with a BH attacking and gaining a TEF to those who were grouped with the BH target. It prevented precisely what occurs here.. 5 BH rolling up on a Jedi and murdering them.

I can see arguments both directions. I am not here to have a fight over it. I can say that I disagree with the idea that 5 BH can come after a Jedi with their friends, and the friends just standing idly by why they get murdered. That to me doesn't fit in the spirit of the game.

Thanks for the answers. I am just trying to understand what the scale and scope is. Given what I have read, I didn't think so, but I appreciate the clarification and confirmation.

[Kelec]

Trust me, you really don't want bhs hitting non jedi targets here. If your in the company of fellow glowbat, you can still feed force.

[davej30]

Thanks for the answers. I am just trying to understand what the scale and scope is. Given what I have read, I didn't think so, but I appreciate the clarification and confirmation.

Ill throw you a bit more clarification,the Tef in its current iteration allows the jedi to be healed by outside parties (known as blue heals) and to be able to have force transferred to them.That's quite a bonus for an Alpha class so in one controlled way there is help from your teammates.
They will be invulnerable to BH attacks too as seasoned BH will come in neutral.
On the BH side of the tef they cannot receive heals from each other or outside parties (factionally aligned).
The tef works in some odd ways,for example you an overt BH w/o a jedi mission attacking the jedi the BH cannot use traps but can be healed as it is GCW and not a BH encounter.

SaberTef has one very bad logical conclusion.
Huge teams of jedi in groups of 10+ decimating all in its path.

Thats the long and short of it aka a shitshow,its quite obvious what will happen when there are jedi teams involved,ive personally witnessed it and it is bad for both sides.

[lassic]

Seriously, I appreciate all the perspectives. Thanks folks. I was hoping for constructive information and not, rawr! nerd rage! I knew you guys would come through.

[Celt]

Celt- Yes, When BH would show up and we were grouped with our Jedi, coming out of DWB, we were able to attack and defend our friend. There was no faction TEF, it had to do with a BH attacking and gaining a TEF to those who were grouped with the BH target.

Ah, I see what you are saying. If the Hunters rolled in with the TEF there must have been a previous event (healing a factioned target or some other means). In all my years of hunting I have never rolled up on a mark with a phantom TEF to everyone. Someone got cuties and it spread and no one noticed, I would bet.

As for the whole conversation about BH TEF and all that I will save it for another thread. Though I do remember both set of circumstances on live. I chased a guy named Socrates on Valcyn with a full group before, we also engaged Quing'tut at Rank 9 on the last night before the CU so I think Cynar's timeline is pretty accurate. Though, if I remember correctly giving a faction TEF to the other Jedi in the party which allowed them to retaliate against the Hunter is what gave rise to Same Faction Hunters.

[Cynar]

Not all Founders think alike. When it comes to TEF we all have our own opinions and right now it's far from perfect. Changes will happen eventually but I don't want to comment as not 100% on what it will be as I am half in & out these days. Plus I tend to lean more toward the hardcore. I always liked Publish 7-8 Jedi, and more Publish 4-7 for TEF.

Like most people we all loved varying parts of the game. There were small parts of CU & NGE that were terrific ideas, however there was no perfect form of the game. While I think most of us here had a better appreciation for the Pre-CU I think we can all agree we liked different things Pub 1 - 14. I know I loved CH pre-pub 3. Stackers were freakin awesome pre-pub 4. I could go on but I'm pretty sure most vets get my meaning.

[lassic]

Yep. This is discussion. If we don't ask the questions and allow the input to naturally evolve, then we are stymieing the growth. It is definitely worth considering some of the way TEF worked across the various pubs. Like I said, there was an instance where there was a gank squad that rolled up on our jedi. We fought them. Some of us died, but it was fun as hell. Another instance, we were out in the boonies, hunting together and a BH rolled up. They didn't initiate combat as they were alone and he had 2 of us with him. Since it was a single BH we said, we would bow out and let it occur. They fought for like 17 minutes. It was masterful. Eventually my jedi friend won with a well timed KD/Dizzy, but it was epic. I wish had enough knowledge at that time to have fraps'd it. Anyway, I think we all agree that there are pros and cons to the TEF mechanics, and will arrive at a balanced equation that meets game play expectations and overall fun.
Just one more instance of why I play here.

[bobaphat]

BH is so overpowered here that SaberTEF might actually be fun. I would love to test this if it ever makes it on to the test server please let me know

[Cynar]

BH is so overpowered here that SaberTEF might actually be fun. I would love to test this if it ever makes it on to the test server please let me know

It's been talked about. Incognito & I have thrown it around for the last few months. Seems like everytime I come up with a set of changes I want to make another new server launches with those same ideas. Makes me wonder if someone has gotten in my head!

[davej30]

BH is so overpowered here that SaberTEF might actually be fun. I would love to test this if it ever makes it on to the test server please let me know

It's been talked about. Incognito & I have thrown it around for the last few months. Seems like everytime I come up with a set of changes I want to make another new server launches with those same ideas. Makes me wonder if someone has gotten in my head!

Post pub 8 its not as OP as you would think,some things have been tweaked to make it quite difficult for the BH,not my place to say exactly what these things are but defo made my head spin for a little while.

@Cynar, How easy would this be to change the code and ensure there is no lock out on the BH side of the tef,im open to trying out a shitshow on test.
Saying that in my experience everyone dies (the jedi group and the BH's) and usually the actual mark is the only one left standing.

[Celt]

If we are discussing hypotheticals here, I would think a system where only the hunters with the mission and the mark can engage in any combat activities would be optimal.

[bobaphat]

SaberTEF code already exists and is open source FYI. I'd link it but I'm wary of linking anything from another server here, let me know.

[Woolystyle]

Adding a robe Tef would be good too

[obimaul]

I think your buddies being to heal you is more than enough help